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Posted by pfm7jr on August 06, 2008 Alexv @ Carnivore WELL GUYS, THATS THE PROBLEM WITH THE INTERNET. Without body language or facal expresions to interpret, ya just can\'t tell who is being serious. Anyway, I still don\'t like tofu. Talk with you guys alter
Posted by carnivore on August 05, 2008 No need to get nasty about it, Phil. It was just a joke.
Posted by pfm7jr on August 05, 2008 Hey Alexv Thanks for filling me in on your training. No I understand where you where coming from. Sounds like these dogs were not trained at all. And Carnivore, I have been a Republican all my voting like and your comments are sooo! moronic they need no response. I guess you can\'t fix stupid
Posted by AlexV on August 04, 2008 wouldn\'t* have been lion food... Typo on last post
Posted by alexv on August 04, 2008 To Pfm7, I understand exactly how a predatory animal \"works\", I can assure you of that. You have to understand what my background is , I think, in order to understand my comments. I come from a very big family on the whole dog training scene. Unprofessionally and professionally my family has trained dozens of breeds of dogs, I myself have been unprofessionally training dogs since age 8. I am in no way trying to boast my own ego, only to inform you of my mentality. My mentality is simply that any person who has a dog not leashed must have had trained that dog, otherwise the dog would run at the first car it would see. Every dog I have ever trained I can assure you, when not leashed would NOT go at something unless I give a command. It is this simple fact that makes dogs and most other animals capable of being pets, different from the predatory animals you are describing. The fact that dogs can be domesticated makes them different from \"predatory animals\", that is a very vague term in my opinion. And to carnivore, I actually live in Jew Jersey, and spend most of my time in NYC. And you\'re right, I actually enjoy tofu, but at the same time I like nothing better then a juicy medium rare (sometimes rare:P) steak. So I must commend you on being right thus-far. However, what you are wrong on is that this animal would have been lion food. For lions are not indigenous to Georgia. In fact, they are not indigenous to North America. So when you get tired of the education you\'re getting in your \"real world\", feel free to come over to mine. The school system here is quite good.
Posted by Carnivore on August 04, 2008 To pfm7jr: Now you\'re a big game hunter. Well, I guess liberals are living in Idaho too.
Posted by pfm7jr on August 04, 2008 Excuse me Carnivore, If you read my response correctly, you would see that I was trying to explain to alexv how preditory animal work. It just so happens that have been a big game hunter for a long time and I do not live in N.Y. or Calif. I\'m from Idaho.
Posted by carnivore on August 01, 2008 To pfm7jr and AlexV Both of you guys are missing the point. This thing is a walking case of lion food, Darwinian style. You boys must be from New York or California or some other tofu eating place. This is real life, Bambi boys.
Posted by deerhunter25 on August 01, 2008 the reason freaks like this are born is cause of overflow of deer there will be more where this deer came from there for all of you that are saying poor poor deer and suggesting that the dog owners were promoting the chase should get your hunting tag next year and go out and manage to prevent more of these freaks. The more deer there are in an area the more likely to have this happen.
Posted by JAG on July 27, 2008 encourage hunting in this area. the more hunting the less deer being hit on the highway. this deer may or may not have made it on its own. if domesticated dogs didnt kill him coyotes would. healing it may have just postponed a more grim outcome for the deer. one would think the fawn could run 33% faster than the others.
Posted by pfm7 on July 25, 2008 Alexv Anyone who knows how a predatory animal, (which a dog is) works. One would know that when they run in packs one animal will turn its attention to the mother and the other to the prey. Hence, separation!. Now, are these dogs dangerous, that\'s unknown. Therefore, you have to look at the act itself. It was vicious in the way it was carried out. Now you can talk 99% this and 1% that and whether or not Georgia has a state wide leash law. The fact remains if you have animals that you can\'t run fast enough to prevent them from causing damage to another animal. Then you have an obligation to keep them on a leash. Thats just simple common sence.
Posted by AlexV on July 25, 2008 Pfm7, I think YOU should read the article closer. The last paragraph states that 99% of fawns assumed of needing rescue end out being ok. I am pretty sure 99% of fawns neding rescue are not WILLINGLY abandoned by it\'s mother. So therefore that number would include fawns both SEPERATED and like you said \"left by\" by their mother. I am sure if the number of of fawns being abandoned by their mother and being deemed as needing rescue were 1% then there would be alot less dead dear on our highways. Also I\'d like you to know that Georgia does not have state-wide leash laws. So who are you to say that people have to leash their dogs? If these were dangerous dogs they would have most likely been leashed and if they WERE dangerous dogs that fawn would not have received MINOR injuries.
Posted by pfm7 on July 25, 2008 Alexv, I think you should read the article closer. The dogs SEPARATED the fawn from its mother, the mother didn\'t just leave it. The dogs should been on a leash to begin with. And doctr55, I don\'t know wwhere you got you imfo from, but animals do have feelings. Not to the extent as we do. Maybe you need to get out and hear a fawn bay for its mother, or hear a coyote pup cry for its mother. And YES, animals do have rights. That fawn had a right to be where it was without being attacted by a pair of uncontroled dogs
Posted by twnpnds on July 24, 2008 Anntelope, they did permit their dogs to chase that fawn. They just did what comes naturally to dogs. You make it sound like they told the dogs to get him. If that was the case they would not have grabbed the dogs and got them inside. They were also responsible enough to call for help instead of trying to raise the little guy themselves. He will probably have problems due to his deformity and would not survive to maturity in the wild. He at least has a chance now and he can get the help he needs. I am against taking an animal from the wild but in this case it was probably best. If someone else had seen him they probably would have caught him and kept him in a small pen. A freak show. The deer rehabber knows how to properly care for deer and they are not in tiny dog pens. And if he does get surgery to remove his extra pelvis then maybe he can be rehabbed back into the wild. God bless all involved with Spyder.
Posted by pfm7jr on July 24, 2008 This is a bitter sweet case. The Dunagans should have better control over thier dogs and the fawn would never have been attacted. However, If the dogs had not attacted the fawn, no one have noticed that it was hadicaped. fortunatly, the fawn will be o.k and maybe a Vet can remove the two legs giving it a better chance to servive on its own. Bill, what does an injured fawn have to do with Obama????
Posted by alexv on July 24, 2008 actually anntelope, it is not uncommon for the mother to leave a fawn early. In fact it states the reason why in the article. So i suggest you read before you start posting insulting comments. Also I have YET to see a human being be able to run at the speed of a dog. And also if you read the article you would have known it sustained MINOR injuries from the dogs. And if the dogs had not attacked it, it would be in the wild now and be free prey for any predator to tear apart. Read the article next time.
Posted by doctr55 on July 24, 2008 Anntelope, It is people like you who value the life of animals so high that you assume that they have feelings like humans, THEY DON\'T!!!!!!! I find it amazing that all the so called animal rights activists (the facts that we assume that animals are intelligent enough to have rights is insane) are so quick to cry over a deer, who could have been killed by another wild animal, but will allow unborn children to be murdered. Where is your common sense?
Posted by grace on July 23, 2008 Well said Anntelope.
Posted by RF on July 23, 2008 Bill: Given what the fawn has gone through during its brief time on Earth, it already has more experience with the realities of life than most Obama voters.
Posted by This Poor Little Thing on July 23, 2008 What a sad story - hopefully, someone will have mercy on this poor animal - he can\'t survive like this in the wild and even in captivity, he most likely will suffer from progressive pain and just being bullied. He needs medical attention before he\'s any bigger.
Posted by Anntelope on July 23, 2008 Isn\'t this a lovely story indeed. They took their two (obviously large) dogs for a walk off their leads and upon encountering the fawn and its mother - permitted the dogs to chase it down and try to kill it. Now it\'s a bawling orphaned baby and Lord only knows where the mother is or how she\'s grieving her baby. Good work Mr and Mrs. Dunagan.
Posted by bill on July 22, 2008 this fawn is a future obama voter.

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